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Post by toddy on May 15, 2007 23:34:14 GMT -6
Sorry if these have been posted before, new to this site and they are some of my favourite pics. I wish there were more life shots like this, rather than the staged ones.
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Post by crzhrs on May 16, 2007 8:52:03 GMT -6
I kinda think the photo was staged. The bear is placed "just right"
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Post by gary on May 16, 2007 10:22:34 GMT -6
He doesn't look like he's going to walk off anytime soon!
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Post by elisabeth on May 16, 2007 10:28:17 GMT -6
I like the sardonic look on Bloody Knife's face, don't you? It's as if he knows full well that it was his shot that killed the bear, and he's signalling as much to the camera ...
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Post by crzhrs on May 16, 2007 12:37:28 GMT -6
Wasn't George Grinnall along with the command? Could that be him to the right of GAC?
Grinnall said Custer was not a good shot.
Bloody Knife looks like he agrees!
PS: Isn't that Deer antlers in the right background over the enlisted man's shoulder?
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Post by Tricia on May 16, 2007 13:04:58 GMT -6
Crz--
The others identified in the photo (from Exploring With Custer) are: Pvt. John Noonan (GAC's orderly and CSS's dreamy fantasy job) and Captain William Ludlow, who was the chief engineer on the Black Hills expedition.
--t.
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Post by Diane Merkel on May 16, 2007 14:47:59 GMT -6
That's Noonan??? I never made the connection before.
I forget the time line; was he married to Mrs. Nash then? If so, boy, does he have a secret!
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Post by Melani on May 16, 2007 15:22:14 GMT -6
Now didn't I read somewhere that his wife saw to it that he had the best-tailored uniform in the regiment? Must have been his dress uniform!
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Post by harpskiddie on May 16, 2007 21:03:37 GMT -6
Two comments and a question.
The bear has been strategically placed so as to appear larger in comparison to the humans than he otherwise might. There is a wapiti sneaking up on the party through the tall grass.
Who is the dude in the background, behind the tent?
Gordie, I cannot tell a lie, mommy - I just shot old Teddy Bear and there's fluff all over.............................
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Post by markland on May 16, 2007 23:46:08 GMT -6
Two comments and a question. The bear has been strategically placed so as to appear larger in comparison to the humans than he otherwise might. There is a wapiti sneaking up on the party through the tall grass. Who is the dude in the background, behind the tent? Gordie, I cannot tell a lie, mommy - I just shot old Teddy Bear and there's fluff all over............................. *sigh* Not only did GAC massacre the Indians, he killed Smoky the Bear!!! But to answer your question with a question, is the man in the background a sentry? He seems to be semi-erect and there looks to be the barrel of a weapon protruding above his head as if the weapon is being carried by the right hand/arm. Horse, I am not a game expert but those horns could be either mule deer or elk, I don't think white-tail...getting hungry thinking about either. Billy
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Post by harpskiddie on May 17, 2007 0:25:01 GMT -6
Billy:
You're probably right about the sentry; my question was largely rhetorical - I was waiting for somebody to venture a guess that it was the guy who actually killed the bear, since it seems to be well established that it wasn't Old Nimrod, who could apparently only shoot his own horses, and Confederate officers [in the back].
That having been said, who's the guy spying on the posers [and poseurs] from behind that prominent rock on the hillside [look above Noonan's head].
Gordie, old Gordie Harper had a daughter and a son, - one went to Texas, and the other went wrong. His wife, she died in a poolroom fight, but still he keeps singin' from mornin' to night............
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Post by crzhrs on May 17, 2007 7:04:29 GMT -6
Right . . . it looks like an elk . . . which is a member of the deer family.
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Post by toddy on May 17, 2007 18:22:16 GMT -6
Brigadier General William Ludlow in 1898
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Post by toddy on May 17, 2007 18:35:59 GMT -6
Only when sodomy became publicly evident did the military find it necessary to enact an equally public response. The 1878 death of a 7th Cavalry laundress caused a sensation that was telegraphed from New York to San Francisco. After ten years of loyal service with the Cavalry, the wife of Cpl. John Noonan was discovered to be a man. Because she was a popular employee, the exposure of her identity revealed an extraordinary series of homosexual relationships among cavalrymen on one of the most well-known military posts, George Custer's 7th Cavalry. She was a New Mexican teamster that 7th Cavalry Cpt. Lewis McClean Hamilton met on the streets of Leavenworth City, Kansas, in 1868. "Their recognition was mutual," a confidant later recalled. In order to have a relationship, Hamilton brought her into his employ under the guise of a military laundress, appointing her to his company, Company A military laundresses served at the captain's prerogative, and the bullwhacker-turned-laundress faithfully followed Hamilton until his death eight months later in the Battle of Washita in November 1868. The bullet that pierced Hamilton's heart that morning left behind an unusual widow. Remarkably, she remained in military employ. Her resolve in the matter is admirable, for in addition to developing a growing reputation as a superb laundress, she became known as a sometimes nurse, emergency midwife, excellent cook, and tailor. Elizabeth Bacon Custer (1842-1933), wife of Lt. Gen. George Custer, employed her in the early 1870s. She recalled that "when she brought the linen home, it was fluted and frilled so daintily that I considered her a treasure. She always came at night, and when I went out to pay her she was very shy, and kept a veil pinned about the lower part of her face." All of these domestic skills contributed financially to the laundress’s existing income and indicate that she was a very strong-willed and resourceful person. She was also very popular within social worlds of military society. Elizabeth Custer remembered her presence at military balls, wheeling about the barracks floor dressed in "pink tarletan and false curls, and not withstanding her height and colossal anatomy, she has constant partners." Following Hamilton's death, the popular widow eventually married three more times. While the first two husbands deserted the Cavalry, Her third and final marriage was successful and endured. With the transfer of the 7th Cavalry to Fort Abraham Lincoln, Dakota Territory, in 1873, came Pvt. John Noonan, Company L. His commitment to professional soldiering, an "excellent character," and subsequent rise from private to sergeant showed Noonan to have been a superb soldier. His reputation was further enhanced by assignments as orderly to the Custer command. In about 1874, "Colonel Tom's own man," as Ms. Custer referred to Noonan, possessed sufficient merit to officially marry Ms. Noonan. Noonan reenlisted in January 1877, and by the following year had again worked his way up to the rank of corporal. When his wife died on October 30, 1878, Noonan was on escort duty over 300 miles away. The success of her disguise had been thorough; the laundress who volunteered to prepare the body for burial was quite surprised, emerging from her duties shouting, "She's got balls as big as a bull; She's a man!" The news rapidly spread and the surrounding community was "plunged into a pleasurable curiosity to know the particulars." News of the "unnatural union and apparel" was telegraphed to newspapers from coast to coast. The accuracy of these sensational stories was confirmed by the official report of post surgeon W. D. Wolverton, who "found the body to be that of a fully developed male in all that makes the difference in sex, without any abnormal condition that would cause a doubt on the subject." The enormous public attention paid to this matter led not only to Noonan's dishonorable discharge, but because of the public nature of his trespass against social convention and military "honor," it exacted an equally public punishment. Commanding Officer Sturgis wrote on November 23, 1878, that "if there is any law by which this man could be sent to the penitentiary I would respectfully suggest that it be called into requisition in his case." Military brass concurred and Sturgis was "instructed to bring the case to attention of the US District Attorney." However, Noonan committed suicide before prosecution could continue. He died in the company stables at the age of 30 on November 30, 1878. His death was noted by a local newspaper to have "relieved the regiment of the odium which the man's presence had cast them." While Ms. Noonan had successfully eluded detection for some ten years, at least one officer was aware of her disguise. First Lt. Edward Settle Godfrey noted in 1868 that she was "tall and angular and had a coarse voice," and that "a stiff breeze whisked the veil off her face and revealed a bearded chin." Godfrey's suspicions were confirmed by Hamilton, who told him "the story of her employment." Until the news became public a decade later, Godfrey never spoke of the matter, believing discretion the better part of honor. The principles of decorum that ultimately destroyed John Noonan had conversely served to protect his wife's identity prior to her death.
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Post by harpskiddie on May 17, 2007 20:20:15 GMT -6
Apropos the wapiti - a friend once told me to be especially cautious, and aware of my surroundings, when hunting these horned and apparently horny beasts. He said the males especially liked to sneak up on hunters, and you never knew they were there until you felt their hooves on your shoulders.
Noonan is looking the wrong way.
Gordie, jimmy, did you hear something rustling in the bushes?......................................................
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