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Post by bhist on Apr 19, 2006 19:17:11 GMT -6
PJ:
I heard from Brust and ironically, last month, he came across an unknown photo taken in 1921. It shows one marker in what might be the area of the VC. Brust is bringing the photo with him in June and will do an onsite comparison analysis to determine if it was in the vicinity of the VC. I'll report then.
If it is in the area of the VC, the marker may well have been moved, stolen, or lost long before the NPS took over operations from the Army in the 40s. That would explain why Utley doesn’t remember any markers in the area and why I don’t see it or them in the Luce movies.
Pending my discussion with Neil it’s very possible that Reynolds, in his later years, remembered one marker as six.
Isn’t this fun? Seriously, it is.
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 19, 2006 20:46:15 GMT -6
bhist: From six markers, to none, and now possibly one?? the plot thickens.
I am anxious to see how this will all unfold with Brust, Neil, etc. Neil will be especially interesting as he personally spoke with Reynolds.
Ofcourse this is fun. Trying to set the historical record straight.
Look forward to hearing from you as you amass more info on this.
And that photo Brust has from 1921 should be of interest.
PJS
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 19, 2006 20:54:32 GMT -6
bhist: So now my wheels are spinning. We have an alleged marker, possibly in the vicinity of the visitors center. Which Brust will investigate in June.
Now this is one marker that may have been stolen before NPS took over. Is it possible that there were six markers and one by one, they were stolen???
More food for thought.
PJS
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Post by bhist on Apr 19, 2006 22:45:34 GMT -6
Maybe I can help slow the spin down a bit. A follow-up email from Brust tells me, “I may end up concluding that the marker seen in the photo was not on the visitor center site --- we'll see.”
I would have a hard time being convinced that six markers were taken one at a time. I think the Army would figure that one out and stop it before all six were gone.
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 20, 2006 0:53:53 GMT -6
Oh, I wouldn't think all six were taken at once. Piecemeal, one at a time, over time. And I'm not so sure the Army would have noticed markers being taken.
And Burst? Well, I guess we will have to wait and see.
In any event, while I don't have access to archives, I am looking where I can insofar as pictures of the field, etc.
PJS
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Post by Jas. Watson on Apr 24, 2006 10:23:36 GMT -6
Nothing earthshattering but several piceces I have read state that before Custer went int MTC, he sent out an advance party of 1 sergeant and 5 enlisted men. They rode well to the east of Luce and Nye/Cartwright Ridge and appears, joined the right wing on Calhoun Hill. PJS I was almost going to start a new thread on this, but decided that being as it started here I'd try to continue it here. Above is the first of this thread's two questions. I would be very interested in hearing much more about this. How do we know about it? I had heard that those soldiers were from F Company. Jas.
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 24, 2006 13:08:31 GMT -6
Above is the first of this thread's two questions. I would be very interested in hearing much more about this. How do we know about it? I had heard that those soldiers were from F Company.
Jas.
Watson: How do we know about it? Magnussen, Thompsons story to Camp in a letter dated 1923, Pohanka, Fox.
Yes, from what is known, they were from "F" company.
PJS
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Post by Jas. Watson on Apr 24, 2006 15:27:37 GMT -6
Was Thompson that reliable of a source? What were they doing or looking for? Just flankers? How would Thompson know who they were (a sergt. and men from F)? How could he have seen them enough to know? And the big question....why did they come BACK?
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 24, 2006 16:59:26 GMT -6
JAS: Not being curt or anything like that, but I suggest your read Pohanka, Fox, Camp, Magnussun, and draw your own conclusion on your questions.
I have read what I can and am comfortable with Thompsons take on the advance party, etc.
And why did they come back? Probably didn't perceive any danger.
PJS
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Post by El Crab on Apr 24, 2006 19:34:12 GMT -6
What were they doing? I'd guess they were acting in the same capacity as the detail that Custer ordered Benteen to send ahead of his battalion. I was reading this thread, and that thought sprung to mind. A moment of clarity, I guess.
But it seems to fit (same rough amount of manpower, doing about the same task) what he ordered Benteen to do, so that might solve that.
If, of course, it actually happened. But I think too many times the baby goes out with the bathwater. Thompson's narrative, is basically a straightforward, believable story until a certain point. And what could be gained by saying that about the advance party? It probably was of little interest to anyone at the time. It only interests us, since we've read so much and the minutae is just so darn fascinating.
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Post by Jas. Watson on Apr 25, 2006 13:59:48 GMT -6
I have read most of those sources you mention and even knew Brian Pohanka personally (we reenacted together for years), but I have never read Magnussen--I cannot afford that book--sure wish I could--so that's a big hole in my reading regards this subject. Anyway, my feeling is that the general consensus I always thought was that Thompson got pretty wild with some of his stories, that he would/should be a good source but because of some things he went on about kind of ruined his credibility as to where he was and what he saw. I just don't know...which is why I am asking those here who know more about the subject. I do, nor did, not take offense at the 'read more' remark (I try to read as much as I can), but do know that that is a pretty facile way of answering a tricky question on a discussion forum where discussion is the very purpose. I realize that some stuff maybe has been hashed to death and that we all really should have at least a basic working knowlege of the subject before partaking of a more advanced discussion as this group is. But this subject is indeed somewhat 'less than common knowlege' so I assumed the question is relevant.
Jas.
PS--Anyone know where I can get a copy of Magnussen's book regarding Peter Thompson for any sort of affordable price? How about Thompson's original story--can that be found easily? This is sort of a new line of inquiry for me so I don't already have these.
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Post by Jas. Watson on Apr 25, 2006 14:03:35 GMT -6
And another PS....in case anyone didn't realize it, I was being facetious when I asked why those flank men came back. They should have run like hell eastward all the way to the Powder! ;D
(Of course I know they couldn't predict.....)
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 25, 2006 17:20:48 GMT -6
Jas. Watson:
Thats a hard thing to do on here Jas. You don't always know if a remark is serious or someone is joking. There is no voice inflection, no nothing. and just so you know, I took it as a serious question. Hell, five enlisted men and a noncom, going all the way in advance & see thousands of Indians? Maybe they might have said, "lets keep going".
Your book question. I would go onto EBay and see what's available. If a book is out there, and is for sale, EBay will either have new copies or used. I have bought a ton of book thru them. Give it a try.
PJS
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Post by Jas. Watson on Apr 26, 2006 11:18:52 GMT -6
pjsolla, That's why I used those little yellow 'emoicons' to tell readers I was being stupid. I rarely use the little things but that's what I assume they are for.
As for the book; already done that...and have seen all of two copies--for roughly $350 each give or take ten bucks. Yike! Of course I shall continue to keep my eyes open and continue to ask around.
Thnx, Jas.
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Post by pjsolla on Apr 26, 2006 11:50:02 GMT -6
Jas: I wasn't sure. I had one "smiley" one "sad". And you say you were being "stupid"? Never thought that.
The book? Yikes, $350. Fuggedaboudit!!!!!!
Anyhow, enjoy this forum. Lots of knowlege and overall a pretty friendly bunch.
Regards, PJS
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