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Post by strange on Sept 15, 2007 22:06:53 GMT -6
Hello and good greetings to all! I hope this is the right board for this.
As some of you know, who know me best, I'm big on Monster Movies and I love the dead. I don't want to get any one's hopes up, but if my business deals come through with my Monster stuff, I'll have some extra pieces of change in my wallet which I would like to put toward humanity and historical knowledge.
Frankly, there are dozens of historical figures I plan on digging up once my wallet can swell to the proper heights. Particularly, I would like to exhume Custer and brothers and even POSSIBLY nearly every soldier who fell at LBH in order to get some slight vantage pint on how they went down and a take a peek at some really cool dead people along the way!
If any of you have any idea as to the proper measures that need be taken in regard to having people dug up, then won't you please share it. Feel free to place the names of the proper family members to inquire along with any tips on making something like this move along smoothly.
I also have plans of digging up famed outlaw John Dillinger to see if he's really buried sitting in his casket (the body they buried apparently was not him, and had a full set of teeth. Dilinger is missing one incisor, so all any one has to do is have a look at his teeth.). And then I'll go ahead and dig up a couple more too see if every one is still juicy! How much do any of you wanna bet that Custer still has that damn Mustache!
Strange One
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Post by Tricia on Sept 17, 2007 9:43:44 GMT -6
First off, one just doesn't go around pell-mell digging up folks. It just doesn't happen that way. You generally have to be a relative to the deceased and if not, there has to be some overwhelming public interest--not your personal whims because you like dead bodies--to be gained by bringing the dead up to the surface. All the money in the world won't placate the legal system in this county or the various families who lost relatives in the battle.
You also must realise that the bodies--if one can call them that--are in less than pristine condition. Custer's remains at WP are just a few measly bones and one can't really say with complete authority that they are his ... but that's something the Custer family chooses to handle or accept. That's their ancestor, not yours.
Now let the dead lie.
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 9:58:14 GMT -6
Well, I'm still gonna look into it, and if my business deals come through I'll have the funds to track down all of the families. People are too touchy about the dead, there's more wealth in these dusty old bones than all the gold in fort knox. Knowledge such as this is a must have. By digging up fallen soldiers we can all determine just how every one died, just how every one fought, lived................. Ah, the possibilities are endless! And even if I couldn't get the findings I wanted, i would sink every single one of my dollars just to have a peek and see IF CUSTER STILL HAS THAT DAMN MUSTACHE! That would be so cool. Some Hollywood stars buy mansions, I plan on digging up bodies.
Strange One
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Post by Tricia on Sept 17, 2007 10:44:05 GMT -6
Well, since GAC's skull wasn't recovered in 1877, I doubt you'll see his damn mustache. But it's folks like you who make me really happy I had my husband cremated in March ... you see, he looked like Custer ... but alas, he was a Scot who hated the Boy General. But he was my husband, not your personal plaything.
And losing a spouse has made me a bit touchy about idiots who want to get their jollys from diggin' folks up. Death is a private, emotional issue for many and I hate that you simply don't respect it. But you are just a kid.
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 11:06:54 GMT -6
Well I'm deeply saddened for your loss.................However I consider bones to be bones and once the spirit has left then I believe any thing can be done with the remains. And when I die, I'm having my remains kept on display as a Hollywood prop.
Bones are bones, and bones are cool!
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Abby Grace
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Post by Abby Grace on Sept 17, 2007 11:56:48 GMT -6
Strange-
When I posted my reply a few minutes ago, I hadn't seen the response from Tricia or your response to her. Your opinion that "bones are bones" is just that.. YOUR opinion. You have absolutely no right to even entertain the thought of disturbing graves. I was just attempting to joke with you and that perhaps you would then go away. However, you just stepped on another set of toes with your callous and stupid remarks. I, like Tricia, am a widow. My husband was my best friend and love and I can tell you that if someone like you ever lifted a finger to disturb his final resting place, you would be in need of like accomodations. I also am thankful that my person was cremated and can be protected from ignorant persons such as yourself who are only capable of seeing the world through your selfish little self-serving eyes. I sure hope you grow out of this . Tricia, I'm sorry that you had to deal with this. This person needs to be banned from these boards. Diane?
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 14:21:15 GMT -6
Strange- When I posted my reply a few minutes ago, I hadn't seen the response from Tricia or your response to her. Your opinion that "bones are bones" is just that.. YOUR opinion. You have absolutely no right to even entertain the thought of disturbing graves. I was just attempting to joke with you and that perhaps you would then go away. However, you just stepped on another set of toes with your callous and stupid remarks. I, like Tricia, am a widow. My husband was my best friend and love and I can tell you that if someone like you ever lifted a finger to disturb his final resting place, you would be in need of like accomodations. I also am thankful that my person was cremated and can be protected from ignorant persons such as yourself who are only capable of seeing the world through your selfish little self-serving eyes. I sure hope you grow out of this . Tricia, I'm sorry that you had to deal with this. This person needs to be banned from these boards. Diane? Well, first of all, 'way to hold back science! I didn't know everyone would be so touchy about dead bodies. If I'm so irritating with my goofy posts then feel free to put up a poll to vote me out of here and I'll gladly go if every one hates me. I consider myself a hands on history buff. Digging people up is not "desecrating" , you just have a look and you put 'em back in. Its not like I'm fixing myself a beer bong and going out to barf on Jim Morrison's grave. I'm not a party guy, thats why I'm not in college. And I value the opinions of everyone around here, but if I'm not welcome then I'll just take my insights and leave you all thinking what you will. My goofiness has a lot of reason behind it (except when I get into those weird German rants.). People can never agree on Custer's size, so frankly I took my knowledge of hollywood and tried to give people a fresh insight on what Custer would like if he were standing next to many of our current actors of today. And the truth is is that Custer is way bigger than a lot of hollywood's leading greats. Christopher Walken is only like 6' 165 pounds, and look who he smothers EVERYONE in Hollywood with that size. now if you take Custer who is 180, and THE SAME HEIGHT AS WALKEN (maybe one inch shorter, though there's a good chance that Walken is 5' 11") then look at how big Custer would measure up today. I know I'm whacky, and that I'm a little Un-orthodox, but great men have to have their own ways of getting things taken careof. The only reason I'm here is to feed off the different opinions, and if every one acted the same way and tried not to 'offend' anybody, then how would sheer greatness ever be achieved? But like I say, you say everyone else doesn't like me, so if everyone here has no value for my opinion then go ahead and send me a personal message saying "GET OUT" and if I feel there's a great stir to get rid of me, then I'll go and leave you all. I like asking the big questions and really getting down to business. And I'd like to think I've been far from useless in lending a good hand whether I'm being whacky or dead serious or all of the above. Nevertheless, I'm Strange, so I promise to captivate, regardless. Stranger
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Post by Abby Grace on Sept 17, 2007 14:51:30 GMT -6
Strange-
Read my post a little more carefully. I do not speak for others, only myself. I find you offensive in your lack of tact in dealing with a woman who just mentioned that her husband had passed away. You toss out your belief about souls, bones, yada. You cannot expect every one to share your views and you will find that more people are sensitive to the issue of human remains than those who would cavalierly "dig everybody up". I have no wish to hold science or progress back. Forensics is an excellent area for you, so why not go about this the scientific way, get educated and make that your life's work. You can examine bodies, get paid for it and maybe solve some modern day crimes. Your graphic ramblings about killings and injuries and blood and gore sound more like a very lonely kid than a person who is really interested in history. I hope that you find a safe, legal outlet for your own brand of creativity. It's ok to play "think tank", but it's also a responsibility to not be hurtful in your posts. So, I apologize to you for over reacting. You are a kid and I am an adult. I think you may view things a bit differently when you've aged a few years and experienced some losses of your own.
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 15:42:56 GMT -6
Strange- Read my post a little more carefully. I do not speak for others, only myself. I find you offensive in your lack of tact in dealing with a woman who just mentioned that her husband had passed away. You toss out your belief about souls, bones, yada. You cannot expect every one to share your views and you will find that more people are sensitive to the issue of human remains than those who would cavalierly "dig everybody up". I have no wish to hold science or progress back. Forensics is an excellent area for you, so why not go about this the scientific way, get educated and make that your life's work. You can examine bodies, get paid for it and maybe solve some modern day crimes. Your graphic ramblings about killings and injuries and blood and gore sound more like a very lonely kid than a person who is really interested in history. I hope that you find a safe, legal outlet for your own brand of creativity. It's ok to play "think tank", but it's also a responsibility to not be hurtful in your posts. So, I apologize to you for over reacting. You are a kid and I am an adult. I think you may view things a bit differently when you've aged a few years and experienced some losses of your own. Who do you think I am? Its like I put this stuff up to get some good perspective on things, and now suddenly I'm the Una-bomber? A sad and disturbed lonely boy? Geeze, lady, it sounds like you got a few issues of your own. I'm not a huge "blood and guts" person (aside from the movies and music I like), I don't even enjoy doing studies on serial killers other than a couple interesting documentaries every now and then. But I do enjoy War, and frankly if I'm sounding "grotesque" then I feel YOU must be on the wrong subject matter. A number of you guys look at Custer and see some kind of Daffy Duck looney toon (albeit, bullets did clip his golden locks in a cartoony fashion) when he's a real soldier WHO fought and was menacing and I'm just trying to give every one the best perspectives on exactly what he's capable of doing, how he went down, etc. And now you're calling me a sick and disturbed lonely boy. I don't have an attidude problem with adults but BUCK UP! Just because I'm a young buck doesn't mean I have to be put on the spot like you have me now. And I didn't mean to give Tricia any cold treatment, but I happen to be a biblical scholar, and what does God say about handling the dead? " I don't want any of you to be ignorant like the heathen, concerning where the dead will be." because "To be absent from the flesh is to be present with the Lord." . That is God's ultimate statement , thats His standing. Flesh bodies go right into the dust eventually , and whatever any one wants to have done, whether it be burial or cremation or exhumation, there are no sins that go with. Frankly I stand by my standing that crusty old bones are of more value then all the gold in fort Knox. As a serious man of God, I like digging for things, showing what is. Science will say dumb things like "well, no one can possibly live as a long as Adam's lifespan suggests". Recently, some one dug up the skeleton of a person who lived with a lifespan of...........drum roll..............Nearly four hundred years, not as long as Adam's 900 years of life, but not too shabby nonetheless. Science will say "well there are no giants" well then I guess that they are not gonna venture over to Gath, where Goliath and many of the Giant philistines lived. If Science would dig in that area then they would find the giants, not 7 footers, 9 and a half footers and TALLER! (Goliath was a smaller Giant, the king of Babylon was 16 feet and there are some taller than that.) Well, to be absolutely frank, the subject of war is a fierce one, it requires fierce questions and fierce tactics. We're not sitting on the "Montel Show" this is no after school special we're dealing with. This is real stuff, good stuff. My tactics are different, and they need to be, because its the freshman who steals the prize. They say Custer had record demerits, well so did Patton and several other great generals and I say the military is too damn picky. And the Army is growing even pickier, it was my boyhood dream to fulfill a military career before I got into Monster movies wit my drawings, but I'm not gonna get killed just because a bunch of anal-retentive nit wits are running our nation's institutions and having every one shave their hair clean off and carry all that dorky gear when real fighting should be fought like Rambo with bare chests and a never ending supply of ammunition as opposed to those crappy bullet proof vests and helmets that restrict all movementand have you become a sittind duck. I've seen too many shaved down men get nervous, get killed. Patton shaved his head, so he never met his full potential in hand to hand combat. Custer cut off his golden curls and his nearly invincible fighting streak was ended at Little Bighorn. Samson had his eyes gouged and eventually ended up killing himself in his last stand against the Philistines when he brought down their temple. I will not bow to man's conditions by shaving my locks, for my thick dark locks offer me the strength of FOUR grown men. Therefore I stay in the Father's word and do as he sayeth. Lastly, Abby, do try and look up God's thoughts concerning children and how adults should treat the young at heart. I don't bear any grudges against adults but you may be stepping on God's toes if you go about holding young one's in ill-regard. It is Jesus's very own words that state that grown people "humble themselves like children" should they wish to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. For children are at their purest and as I grow to adulthood I must preserve my grace as a child and by no means would I ever be honored to be regarded as an 'adult'. Blessed be you all, with Strangers or with not...................................
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Post by Tricia on Sept 17, 2007 16:19:13 GMT -6
I'm gonna tell you this once. Keep your religious beliefs off the board. I don't bother you with mine and I expect you not to bother me with yours.
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Post by Diane Merkel on Sept 17, 2007 17:09:24 GMT -6
As with some others before him, I keep hoping that everyone will ignore strange so he'll go away. Trish and Abby, I'm sorry for the turn this thread took.
Strange, I don't know if you're for real or you're playing a game, and I don't care. Calm down. If you can't behave as an adult and address subjects in a constructive manner, go play somewhere else.
And get over your fixation with men's bodies . . . dead and alive.
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 17:29:21 GMT -6
I'm gonna tell you this once. Keep your religious beliefs off the board. I don't bother you with mine and I expect you not to bother me with yours. Dually noted. I don't force religious beliefs on people, but when some nutbar is questioning my sanity then I'm going to defend myself with everything in my arsenal. I've seen a lot of good and useful people and children get hauled away in straight jackets and refined to bondage for no good reasons at all except to feed the meal tickets of quack job counselors, therapists, psychiatrists, etc. I come up here to offer my actually put up my money and time just for the children of America to get an intimate vision of how history is and uncover truths that are unnecessarily held back. And for this, my sanity is being questioned by some old ninny who has it in her head that I'll be "harmful to society" if I cannot find a "outlit" to cope with my "gory and barbaric lusts of the flesh". I don't care whether any of you believe in God or not, but I'm not gonna have myself deemed a "threat to society" or a "danger to myself" or be deemed unstable just for putting up some useful projects that I feel would be useful to the world. Sorry, but in these situations I pull on God's word to yank me from the lion's mouth. Now I can see exactly what poor old Crazy Horse had to go through, and the more I know of his great warrior legacy , the more shameful I am to have once questioned his morals merely in regard to the sins of tribes that I have no vantage point in identifying as of yet. True, true, the indians were no angels, and certainly the U.S. were no angels either, but it seems that both had to fight, because frankly there were great transgressions being carried out on all ends............................now I'm off subject. This Abby lady criticized and questioned me for giving you a cold shoulder, I thought I did my best to send my regards but if thats not enough then so be it. Its very unfortunate that we have to get this deep into harsh words when all any of us are trying to , what I'd like to think, is earch for answers. And suddenly I'm threatened to be thrown off the board by some old ninny just for inquiring and inviting some of you to chip in with any advice regarding the exhumation of the dead. If it cheers any of you up, I would be very happy to dig up a few of my distant relatives and put their remains up on a 15 foot cross to creep out my pesky neighbor (I actually do have FAKE crucified Zombies in my backyard. My neighbor and his friends were very ungentlemanly to my mother so I put up my fierce display of cruel delight put a little intimidation ON HIM! I happy to say, my mother is no longer harassed by the dude next door.) But what do I know? I'm a maniac! woooooooooooo! Sincerely with all regards from.............................. The Strange One
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Post by strange on Sept 17, 2007 17:34:46 GMT -6
As with some others before him, I keep hoping that everyone will ignore strange so he'll go away. Trish and Abby, I'm sorry for the turn this thread took. Strange, I don't know if you're for real or you're playing a game, and I don't care. Calm down. If you can't behave as an adult and address subjects in a constructive manner, go play somewhere else. And get over your fixation with men's bodies . . . dead and alive. Well, seeing how things will be, I'll take my useful time and leave for more constructive things. And you're rather rude for saying I have a "fixation" for "men's bodies". I wish you good day and I hope you're kinder to real thinkers in the future. Have yourselves some wonderful days WITH YOURSELVES and keep your selfishness with you. I got way better business than this and I don't need any of you if you guys are gonna be this way. Good day and so long. Stranger
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Post by Melani on Sept 17, 2007 22:30:32 GMT -6
Just in case he's really not gone, ladies, Diane is right--the best way to deal with somebody like that is to totally ignore him. He can't have a discussion if nobody answers.
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Post by strange on Sept 18, 2007 0:20:01 GMT -6
Just in case he's really not gone, ladies, Diane is right--the best way to deal with somebody like that is to totally ignore him. He can't have a discussion if nobody answers. I'll still be hanging around to observe whether my presence here is welcomed or not. And if you want me to stay out for good then please don't jab the bear. Giving me the "silent treatment" will only antagonize me into coming back in a different form if I'm exhiled. I will happily go away for good if I feel my presence is not welcome, but don't push me out the door unless you want me coming back. And for the record, are all of you blind? You're the ones being rude and nasty, I've never said the things you say to me to any of you. In fact I use to hold all of you're opinions in the highest of respect until you hens started this crap on me just because I have dreams of adding more to history and I have the funds to do it. If you all want me gone, I kindly invite you to my "strange must go" poll in miscelainious. But if you ladies still bear such a fascination with me.............then I'll be sure to stick around for a long time if you won't let me go my own way. I'm the lone wolf, so I can get my business done with or with out any of your sayso or anybody else's. Custer's legacy belongs to the world, he's in a whole 'nother place and does not dwell in a pile of bones. I actually DID try and be sensitive, and thats why I quoted that beautiful biblical verse concerning where the dead are, what did I get for that? " I'll say this once. Keep your religious beliefs off this board!". You tell me how to be sensitive? What do you old hens want from me? What do you expect I'm gonna act like when you guys start going hog wild nasty on me? I haven't lifted a finger at any of you. You look at my posts, have I ever called any one here stupid? Or threatened to haul them away to a mental facility? Never. And all of this you do to me for attempting to offer something to the world and make a difference. And this is what I get? You want to talk about MY credibility? From what I hear, from what I'm hearing, some of you have no clue about Custer's civil war record. The civil war is Custer's finest glory days, he's one of the fiercest soldiers to serve in that war and none of you have a clue! I requested somebody to fetch me Custer's confirmed kills and personal captures in CUSTER FIGURES, and do you know what I get? Zilch. I'm not gonna get specific on which board members admitted they had not a clue, because I don't speak negative of others. But the fact that so many of you are jumping to ridiculous conclusions of "Custer has no record of killing anybody" or "custer was not a hands on fighter" and so far there are at least half of you that have no idea that Custer fought the civil war, and many of you don't have any insight on Custer's civil rights beliefs either than that you all think he was "not quite a lyncher yet not quite thomas jefferson". Look Custer up, his civil rights beliefs are far superior to any one of today's even. Civil rights is very simple, people are people, THERE YOU GO! I thats what I have gotten from Custer regarding civil rights. Yet many of you have no idea about his feelings regarding equality, nor do I understand completely the thoughts of any individual, but I've shown sides of Custer that few can ever dream. It is the white devil society that doomed Custer, his spirit in battle had to be altered to fit the white man's vision of Napoleon, Custer changed his whole tactics during the indians wars and even altered his own spirit all because the whites pressured HIM into whiter tactics. And Custer died, because his ways were different. Now what do you guys think of that? Do I have record? YES! Look at how much Grant and the other generals were pushing in on Custer and telling him what to do, a majority of Custer's Indian War sins were done UNDER ORDER! Custer obeyed them becausehe was threatened with increasingly lower ranks and expulsion. LOOK UP THAT RECORD BEFORE YE ALL SAY I'M RIDICULOUS! I think you're are ridiculous to immediately put me into such low regard before I've done anything wrong to any of you at all. Shame on you, I never felt this way about your thoughts and opinions and your records. I don't encourage any of you to blindly follow my lead , but you all better know of Custer's FLAWLESS civil war record before jumping to conclusions that I'm full of it. I use to think that you guys had records that proved me other wise, and now i'm finding that none of you have a clue about Custer's role in the civil war?! Do you honestly think Grant won the civil war? Its Grant's tactics that reak of Custer getting killed, look at the records of the two generals in the civil war, you'll see that Grant likes to drive his face into the wall by forcing mass amounts of soldier men into just piling dead on one another until every one's dead. It was Custer who turned Gettysburg around and ensured the surrender of the confederacy, Custer was crafty and quick and strong and his men were quite frankly the strongest force in the Union's arsenal, no one can match their record. Custer won Grant's victories by stealing the win after Grant had driven everone to a bloody draw. Custer was a difference maker, he got immediate results, and now look at how much power was stripped from him during the Indian wars, look at how nosey every one was on Custer! He was smothered, he couldn't do hardly any thing his way, his powers were taken when he was called to testify against Grant's brothers and despite the fact that Custer didn't wish to testify and said he knew "only hearsay", Grant still marked Custer as a traitor to the government. Custer then had the class to sit outside Grant's office for an entire afternoon waiting to have a reasonable word and smooth things over..........but Custer was already marked and Grant had it in for him, so Grant refused to speak with Custer, even on their designated appointment, and had Custer just sitting there the whole afternoon until Custer wrote a note and left. Now plenty of Custer's powers were soon stripped, he's begging to be with his soldiers, he is granted the rank of Colonel and they start forcing themselves into everything thing that Custer does.......Custer realizes he has one shot, ONE SHOT to score big and ride again as the nation's hero without having his authority challenged..........so he goes to little bighorn and comes up with a fresh and brilliant strategy to trick the Indians with a series of surprise attacks and swipe the women and children to ensure what would have been one of the greatest victories in history..... (almost similar to something Erwin Rommel pulled off successfully in WWI before he became a cursed Nazi. Yes, when properly executed, this sort of thing does work and its great in small numbers pulling brilliant maneuver's over large forces. So it DOES work.).......................but it was not without human error and he died......................(by the way, since many of you doubt the Indian's time frame, I went and found something to back it FINALLY! After the Indians were finished with Autie, they focused full force on retreating Reno and Benteen, this last place of the battle is CONFIRMED to have taken over roughly 2-3 hours and ending at roughly 9:00 pm. 9 - 2 or 3=.......thats right, 6 or 7 o'clock! Do we all know what that means? Custer and his men were all supposed to have been finished by 5-6 o'clock, they then seemed to have rushed to engage Benteen and Reno around the same time they had just finished Custer. And why did Benteen and Reno get away? Because Custer and his men were no pushovers and they took out enough Indians for Benteen and Reno to squeeze out of there by the skin of their teeth. The Indians did not stop fighting at their "own discretion", that never happens, especially not now when they're fresh with massacre in their hearts, Benteen and Reno had to face the music eventually and they nearly killed themselves by straying from Custer's plan because they did not successfully avoid the Indians, they successfully avoided Custer. Does that sound any good for the rest of you?) I put my full heart and fury into these posts and they spill in the way fromwhich they spew, these are the surges that make my life worthwhile and always guarantee success and through my surges, whether physical, or with words, I strive full force. Take it or leave it, its what I got. Have fun trying to find another 18 year old as sharp or as successful as me. Better yet, try to find one in school! (hee, hee, I don't want to be mean to some of you teachers out there, but students these days must have all been dropped on their heads. Complete morons, I steer clear of all that drunkeness and mass orgies. I'm a very successful high school drop out. Steps ahead of many of my braindead college peers. I'm also a better athlete as well, and even without steroids I'm still stronger than many roid pushers who are larger than me. Thats why I'm always trying to tell people a thing or to about seizing the best out of all physicalities. Custer does not have to be my size to be strong, he does very well with his "slender" 179 pound frame, but people just don't believe in what they can achieve. Call me motivational, but I like to see the best in everyone, even my possible enemies. By building up your enemies, you ensure a greater "kill", am I wrong?) Thats what I got, I give my best. Strange One, the Magnificent
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