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Post by Dietmar on Jan 5, 2006 15:59:54 GMT -6
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 9, 2006 13:12:36 GMT -6
Excellent source for Indian testimony. Much info I was not aware of.
Miller's interviews with the Indians should not be discredited. We may differ with his conclusions (still not definate proof whether Custer was killed early) but the accounts are enlightening.
PS: Miller stated he was 16 in 1935. Anybody know when he died, must have been fairly recent .
The other articles are equally informative and it is vitally important to use Indian accounts and somehow interpret them as their original intent was.
Miller had knowledge of sign language and the spoken language which undoubtedly made a difference in discussing the events. The Indians may have felt more comfortable with someone who was willing to learn their tongue and ended up trusting him enough to tell him things that they otherwise would not have told anyone else. So it's possible Miller got info that was not known to others . . . and possibly some discredit him because of that.
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Post by El Crab on Jan 10, 2006 3:00:38 GMT -6
If you read Vestal's White Bull book, he states the tall, well-built soldier was down below the hill, near the SSL. He probably did not kill Custer because of this, but you never know.
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Post by ephriam on Jan 10, 2006 6:44:09 GMT -6
Miller died Aug. 21, 1992 at the age of 74.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 10, 2006 6:55:17 GMT -6
Ephriam:
Miller died at a relatively early age. I don't remember hearing much about his death. Do you know if he published anything after his LBH book and whether he defended his theory regarding Custer's possible killing at the ford?
It still amazes me that people still living today knew survivors of the LBH and talked to them about it.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 10, 2006 7:09:06 GMT -6
I just went to a web site for DHM and found some great stuff. Apparently he was an outstanding artist and his drawings of warriors who fought at the LBH are worth $5 million. His book LBH won awards and he also did some acting and was an advisor for several western films including CHEYENNE AUTUMN.
There are some great photos of him with old warriors and others.
Worth a look!
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Post by Jim on Jan 10, 2006 8:17:21 GMT -6
crzhrs,
Do you have the website address??? Thanks,
Jim
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 10, 2006 8:37:12 GMT -6
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Post by Melani on Jan 13, 2006 13:39:10 GMT -6
Thanks for the links, guys. Fascinating!
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Post by chuckwagon on Jan 26, 2006 9:40:28 GMT -6
In the story related by White Cow Bull he says, "The man who seemed to be the soldier chief was firing his heavy rifle fast. " This was at Medicine Tail ford. If it was Custer could he have been firing his Remington Sporting rifle quickly? Or was it an officer who had a repeating rifle?
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Post by shatonska on Jan 26, 2006 10:04:29 GMT -6
who owned a winchester rifle ? maybe a good clue
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Post by jlt on Mar 3, 2006 4:56:22 GMT -6
In my own experience I have found Millers Indian accounts to be paraphrased and somewhat embellished. There is also evidence that indicates that some his material may have been plagerized from Walter Campbell. As far as his translation skills are concerned, there are far too many errors in translation in his Indian casualties lists which seem to indicate that his skill in this area may not have been up to par. I far prefer Richard Hardorff when it comes to first hand Indian accounts of this event.
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Post by Realbird on Feb 7, 2007 21:01:35 GMT -6
Excellent choice! I agree whole heartily with your summation and choice of authors.
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Post by AZ Ranger on Feb 8, 2007 22:02:48 GMT -6
Miller's and Vestal's White Bull's account are not he same. Miller describes two soldiers being killed and the Vestal White Bull account combines the description from those two into a one soldier killing account.
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Post by erkki on Jul 3, 2007 10:46:50 GMT -6
Note of caution on the White Bulls (plural). White Cow Bull was Pte Bloka Ska (Oglala?); White Bull was Pte San Hunka (Minneconjou nephew of Sitting Bull). Miller includes both in his "Echoes of the LBH". White Bull/Chaga/Ice was Cheyenne. Another White Bull was killed in the valley fight. There may be more.
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