shawn
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My sons and I...Reno Hill June 26th 2006
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Post by shawn on Jan 12, 2006 21:46:49 GMT -6
Oh...its non fiction. The author (Henry Weibert) grew up right in the area, had a ranch on Reno Creek...and had one of the largest private collections of LBH artifacts. He found the "real" crows nest (1966). It was about 1 mile east of the previously thought location. He also started the "re-ride" (1974) and followed the 7ths footsteps all the way from the Yellowstone to last stand hill (he knew the superintendent of the Battlefield)
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Post by fred on Jan 13, 2006 2:36:43 GMT -6
Shawn--
Thank you. Weibert's works are mentioned in almost everything I've ever read about the battle, but if I'm not mistaken, he has advanced some odd ideas (though I can't put my finger on any of them).
Diane--
I'm really disappointed about TM's disappearance. I tried to get a message to him via the PM, but it was kicked back. He had made a point w/ me some time ago about Tullock's Creek & how its importance figured into the battle. No one else seems to have picked up that particular point. If you can get in touch w/ him, please let him know I have run across some information that backs him up, 100%, though the information was just casual, w/ no emphasis placed on its importance. TM, however, knew all along, & no writer I have read has ever detailed the point. If you can, tell him I miss him. You have my permission to give him my new e-mail address. Thanks, kiddo.
And best wishes, Fred.
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Post by El Crab on Jan 13, 2006 3:58:59 GMT -6
Ahh, the memories... The Weibert plaque: The view into the "nest": The view from about where Custer was: Me imitating Custer. I had trouble spotting the valley myself. And that's Dennis Fox on the right, btw. From left to right: Me; Rich Fox; Gary AKA LorenDead; Frank Bodden; Perry Baker AKA PGBIII; Phil Solla AKA PJSolla I got another pic around here were we recreated the B&W pic with H.L. Scott and the scouts, but I can't locate it.
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Post by fred on Jan 13, 2006 6:20:55 GMT -6
Crab--
Magnificent pictures! Wow!
Now, help me out. The 1st picture after the plaque... "into the nest"... is that where Varnum & some of the scouts slept?
"Custer's view," the picture where you are looking through the glasses: what's the ground immediately in front of you?
Crab, they are really nice pictures. I'm envious, but at least I can print them out!
Best wishes, Fred.
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Post by alfuso on Jan 13, 2006 8:31:53 GMT -6
First Books I'd recommend to a neo would be THE CUSTER READER and Urwin's CUSTER VICTORIOUS.
The first gives a good overview of Custer's life the second lets the neo know Custer's career wasn't just one day.
alfuso
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Post by Tricia on Jan 13, 2006 9:24:57 GMT -6
Alfuso--
Whilst I tend to agree with your selections, I wonder if Custer Victorious is too military and too tactically oriented (all of those maps) for folks who aren't necessarily interested in military history, per se. It does sound rather odd to be interested in Custer and not be interested in army stuff, but it it does happen from time to time. That's why I think Wert's Custer: The Controversial Life of George Armstrong Custer is as good a place as any to start. It seems to cover his career in the ACW nicely, without bogging one down in the nuts and bolts of every military exercise he undertook.
Regards, Leyton McLean
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shawn
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My sons and I...Reno Hill June 26th 2006
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Post by shawn on Jan 13, 2006 12:37:10 GMT -6
Fred, Yea, he believed that maybe Bouyer was a spy for the hostiles, and that he assassinated Custer. Also that Custer wasnt turned at MTC, that he had no intention of crossing at MTC, and lots of other theorys.
But, as I read through the posts, Ill chime in what he said, just to shake things up!!
P.S. Great photos
Have a great day
Shawn
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 13, 2006 12:46:54 GMT -6
Great photos, Crab. I'm glad Perry didn't break your camera! Thanks a lot.
I haven't been up to the Crow's Nest, so it would be helpful if you could point out a landmark in the photo where you're looking from GAC's viewpoint. Thanks in advance.
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 13, 2006 13:02:14 GMT -6
Another book that states Boyer was a spy and go-between for the Sioux & Crow is WHERE WAS CUSTER at the Little Big Horn.
The author, (I forget his name) believes Boyer was p.o.ed because of Custer's treatment of Monasetah and vowed to kill him. Boyer then goes on to arrange a peace treaty between the Sioux and Crow(!)
When Custer's command approaches the Sioux village, Boyer fires a prearranged gun shot to warn the Sioux(!), and then shoots Custer at the Ford(!)
Yikes!
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Post by El Crab on Jan 13, 2006 14:12:38 GMT -6
Great photos, Crab. I'm glad Perry didn't break your camera! Thanks a lot. I haven't been up to the Crow's Nest, so it would be helpful if you could point out a landmark in the photo where you're looking from GAC's viewpoint. Thanks in advance. The landmarks I was looking for were the bluffs on the east side of the Little Horn (Reno Hill, Weir Point and Custer Ridge). Even with decent binoculars, it was hard to make out the features. I had to use jet contrails in the sky as bearings, lining them up after initially seeing these landmarks. This was around 1 PM, I believe. You can't really blame Custer, whose fieldglasses were probably 3X or 4X at best, while mine were closer to 10X and I still had problems picking up the valley and the western bluffs (where the horse herd was). Directly below is the valley of the Little Big Horn. Not the actual valley where the village was, but the beginnings of the LBH watershed. Behind us is the Rosebud watershed. The Crow's Nest is on the divide, and everything green was representing a watercourse. It made things easier, as you could follow the vegetation to the THE valley. The last two shots are from a slightly lower spot at the Crow's Nest, which Fox said some think is where Custer actually tried to view it for himself. Diane, where can I share my pix? What section can I post a shedload of my pix, once I get them uploaded?
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Post by crzhrs on Jan 13, 2006 14:32:49 GMT -6
Crab:
Which makes it even more amazing that the Crows could make out a village and horse herd WITHOUT binoculars. Of course they may have not seen them per se but more like indications of the village and horse herd, which gave them enough info to determine there was something there, as opposed to white who expected to ACTUALLY see the village and horse herds, thus Custer's "I don't see anything"
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Post by El Crab on Jan 13, 2006 14:42:44 GMT -6
Crab-- Magnificent pictures! Wow! Now, help me out. The 1st picture after the plaque... "into the nest"... is that where Varnum & some of the scouts slept? "Custer's view," the picture where you are looking through the glasses: what's the ground immediately in front of you? Crab, they are really nice pictures. I'm envious, but at least I can print them out! Best wishes, Fred. Well, Varnum and the scouts slept about where we were standing, I'd guess. The area into the nest is where horses could be kept out of sight. Its a natural bowl, with dense vegetation. The land directly in front of me is Reno Creek (I believe) and the beginnings of the Little Big Horn Watershed. Basically, its everything across the divide. More pix! Standing on approximate spot where the 7th crossed the divide, looking into the LBH watershed: Looking back at the Crow's Nest (right of picture), from the divide: Another good pic of the LBH watershed from the divide: Anyone want to take a guess what that is in the middle horizon? Reno Creek is on your right, and we're past the potential Lone Tepee Site. The view from the west bluff on Weir Point, looking towards Custer Battlefield:
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Post by fred on Jan 13, 2006 16:04:43 GMT -6
Crab!!!
We gotta talk!!!!!
Fred.
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Post by shatonska on Jan 13, 2006 16:24:11 GMT -6
whaoooooooo i was missing these great photos
thanks El Crab !!!!!!!
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Post by Diane Merkel on Jan 13, 2006 16:58:38 GMT -6
The photos are all super. Crab, I would love to put them on the main section of the site, probably in a new category on the LBHA Research page. I can either link to a webpage you have developed or create a page. Either way I will, of course, give you credit for the photos.
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