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Post by Scout on Apr 23, 2007 5:05:40 GMT -6
I think this attitude with the Crows started long ago. If you remember it was the Crows who stated that 'Mitch Bouyer killed Custer' ...a story which seems to have first appeared in the 1960's. And who can forget Joe Medicine Crow's statement on the History Channel that the Crows wanted to take off their uniforms and 'go join their free brothers (Sioux & Cheyenne). Yea, I'm sure that's exactly what they were thinking...that's why they all took off for God knows where. Curley's son would later tell the 'Crow truth' that Custer was drunk during the battle. Hey guys, sorry you picked the wrong side but that's history, which is something you can't change.
As far as following a script I don't think they ever have completely have they? I think Steve has been smacked with a coup stick more than once. I guess he should just be glad that they didn't want to have someone sit on his face.
I, and I alone, know how Custer really died. I have all 35 Indian versions.
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Post by crzhrs on Apr 23, 2007 11:42:48 GMT -6
<I , and I alone, know how Custer really died. I have all 35 Indian versions>
Possibly . . . you haven't heard of dying a thousand deaths?
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Post by clw on Apr 23, 2007 12:15:50 GMT -6
What they probably 'meant' to say, and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here, is that by percentage of population, there are more Native Americans in the American armed forces than any other race. Sounds like a typical Crow, ummm, 'stretch'. It would be an understatement to say the Crow and the Lakota are by no means bestest buddies. Old wounds and all........
Not me. You could hear me laughing miles away when I heard that one!
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Post by Diane Merkel on Apr 23, 2007 15:59:56 GMT -6
Old Joe is a sad sight. He's been apologizing for being on the "wrong" side of LBH for years (at least since I first heard him in 1991). If he truly cares about the legacy of the Crow nation, he would not distort its history.
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Post by mwkeogh on Apr 23, 2007 21:15:48 GMT -6
(Scout wrote:) As far as following a script I don't think they ever have completely have they? I think Steve has been smacked with a coup stick more than once. I guess he should just be glad that they didn't want to have someone sit on his face.
LOL. Yes, the Real Birds have a script, but often Richard (their narrator) will often 'add lib' along the way and change various parts of the story as he sees fit. He likes to improvise and play to the crowd.
Steve has gotten pretty banged around up there over the past couple years. Last year, he was picked up and body-slammed hard onto the ground. His ribs were quite sore for several days. The year before, a very fat and somewhat enraged Crow grabbed Steve in a bear-hug from behind and tried to slam him. Both myself and Tom Custer managed to jump on the Crow's back and pull him off, but he came back after we were "killed" to count coup on Steve after he was down. He grabbed Steve by the front of his shirt and began to vigorously shake him like a rag doll until one of our friendly Hollywood Indians came over and convinced him to stop.
Now Scout, you should give some serious thought about joining the reenactment up there. I think you would have a marvelous time! btw, your avatar bears a striking resemblance to an older Count DeRudio. Is that who it is, or perhaps someone else? I havent yet been able to figure out how to get an avatar up for myself yet. lol.
(Scout wrote:) I, and I alone, know how Custer really died. I have all 35 Indian versions.
LOLOLOL. That sums it up very nicely. I couldnt have said it better myself.
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Post by tassiewolf on Apr 23, 2007 23:21:42 GMT -6
Ahhhhhh yes but will they have mastered the sound system this year
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Post by Scout on Apr 24, 2007 7:13:39 GMT -6
keogh, well I suppose I would fit in with all the other fat old cavalryman wouldn't I? But hell, I would get out of breath just getting on a horse. I'll have to pass on that. My glory days are behind me. Actually I wouldn't mind riding the battlefield but a charge is out of the question!
Your comments about a Crow slamming Steve is right in line with what we were discussing.
And yes the artwork is of Count No Count...
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Post by Montana Bab on Apr 24, 2007 11:43:26 GMT -6
Scout, Are you saying there are only 35 Indian versions? I accumulated 53 versions== 16-Cheyenne, 35-Sioux and 2 Arapaho.
Bab
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Post by markland on Apr 24, 2007 18:49:28 GMT -6
Old Joe is a sad sight. He's been apologizing for being on the "wrong" side of LBH for years (at least since I first heard him in 1991). If he truly cares about the legacy of the Crow nation, he would not distort its history. All, it is not as strange as it may sound. During the Red Cloud War, according to Carrington's testimony to the Special Commission to Investigate the Ft. Phil Kearny Massacre-ok, I was being slightly sarcastic but the name was close!-Carrington mentions that Man Afraid of His Horses and Red Cloud both tried to enlist the Crow into the war against the "Anglos" along the Bozeman Trail. I suspect that Joe may be reliving some family history as there were indications that some of the Crow were paying attention to the Sioux. Perhaps that is why that captured Sioux was tortured and killed at a Crow encampment near Ft. C. F. Smith? Billy
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Post by tassiewolf on Apr 24, 2007 19:48:16 GMT -6
Geeez don't say that!! It will end up as part of the Real Bird "Wild West" show
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Post by mwkeogh on Apr 25, 2007 16:09:42 GMT -6
Scout wrote: And yes the artwork is of Count No Count...
LOL. And I always thought it was "Count No Account"! LOL.
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Post by mwkeogh on Apr 25, 2007 16:45:59 GMT -6
Keogh, Your post flaberghasted me! I can't believe that a re-inactment group would want to portray such garbage to be shown in front of visitors . Do these enactments take place on the actual battleground or elsewhere? I would think that the first priority in a re-enactment would be accuracy and historically correct script. But then, I suppose it is just like any other thing that involves people portraying historical figures==egos. Someone HAS to be the STAR. It truly is a shame because I would think that the re-inactments involving horses, Indians and their ponies and the soldiers etc. would be an exciting thing to see. (I realize that it would be close to impossible to have it be completely accurate, but to have Custer staked to the ground is about as ludicrous as it gets. Shades of Disney and Hidalgo.) Montana Bab I am in complete agreement with you Bab. Our 7th Cav reenactors in 2001 were a different breed from what we have up there today. Back then, they did not hesitate to support me 'en masse' when I threatened to walk off, and this was what made the Real Birds back down. But today there is little unity and little pride. You would hear more comments like "Well, its the Real Bird's show....they own the land, so they can do as they please....we are only guests here and we must do as we're told." You are also right about the tremendous ego's when it comes to certain people who see themselves as the star of the event. This often blinds them to the reality of why we are there and what our primary mission should be. It seems that a number of our in-house stars and celebrities seem more concerned about promoting their own image than in standing up for our reenactors and seeing that historical standards are upheld.
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Post by tassiewolf on Apr 25, 2007 18:29:45 GMT -6
Like sands through the hour glass, so is a real bird reenactment All the historical accuracy has gone out of this and lip service is only paid to the 7th. How can they stand up Captain when there was no backbone to begin with. I think it is time people voted with their feet.
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Post by tassiewolf on Apr 25, 2007 18:32:18 GMT -6
Was Custer drunk too!! That would explain where Reno got his from then. Perhaps CS should ask the Crow (perhaps Nightingale advises them!!) SNIFF SNIFF I do smell a conspiracy LOLOLO
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Post by sgtstryker on May 31, 2007 13:23:35 GMT -6
Keogh,
I first went to Custer Battlefield as an 11 year old kid and have been hooked ever since. After doing Civil War re-enacting for 6 years, I along with 12 others made the trip to the Little Bighorn to participate in the Real Birds "show". The actual re-enactment was a big let down, even more so after my wife told me what was being passed off as history by the narrator.
The real reason I went was for the ability to ride up MTC to Nye-Cartwright and then across to Wier Point. That was the highlight of my life. I had contacted you prior to going and was looking forward to riding with you, so was disappointed when I found out you were no longer welcome by the Real Birds. And are you right about them. It didn't take me long to see the hate they have for us "pale faces".
Although, I had a great time riding that country, I wonder how much better it could have been, if the re-enactment would have been more than "Indian Good, White Man Bad".
I'd love to be able to come up this year to Camp Garryowen, but will be at National Guard Training, so will not be able to. I'd really like to find out more about your unit, as I'm interested in joining up with a indian war unit that is interested in doing it authentically.
Sgt. Stryker
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