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Post by Agnes on Dec 1, 2004 11:06:03 GMT -6
Dear Everyone!
I'm Agnes and I'm curious for the family of the famous leader Crazy Horse. Therefore I started this topic. I warmly welcome any comment, correction, and observation.
I know the following:
The name of the father of Crazy Horse was Crazy Horse. After he transferred his name to his son, he was called as Worm. He was perhaps a Hunkpatila-Oglala.
He had at least two brother, Little Hawk and Spotted Crow. Also was Bull Head and Ashes the uncles of Crazy Horse?
Crazy Horse mother was perhaps a Minneconjou and her name was Rattle Blanket Woman. Perhaps she connected somehow to the famous Minniconjou chief Touch-the-Clouds, but it's not sure.
Crazy Horse had an unkown sister, who married with Little Killer's brother Club Man. They had 8 children, but she and her children all died before 1901.
Crazy Horse's little brother name was Little Hawk. He died in spring or summer of 1870. Perhaps he was never married?
Crazy Horse married three times. Firstly he was with No Water's Wife, Black Buffalo Woman, but they stayed together a few days. It said that the woman later gave birth a light haired girl, who still lived in the 1900's.
When he was 26 years old, he married Red Feather's sister, Black Shawl. By her he had one girl, Kokipapi, They-Are-Afraid-of-Her, who died when about 2-3 years old. When he surrendered at Fort Robinson, he married a young french-Cheyenne girl, Nellie Laravie, but Crazy Horse don't have child by her.
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Post by shatonska on Dec 3, 2004 13:44:51 GMT -6
www.wintercount.org/archives/crazyhorse/here are the sources on crazy horse life ! his mother was a brule' sister of spotted tail , touch the cloud is said to be a cousin , maybe a sister of crazy horse father was the wife of one horn !
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Post by Don Blake on Dec 13, 2004 10:56:16 GMT -6
See the comments I made in the Touch the Clouds thread above.
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Post by shatonska on Dec 14, 2004 7:14:06 GMT -6
See the comments I made in the Touch the Clouds thread above. i have read it , thanks , now i understand a little more ! there is a thing that i can't understand ! |
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Post by shatonska on Dec 14, 2004 7:19:21 GMT -6
my question is :
HE DOG and LOW DOG where two different men or the same person ?
until now i though he was the same man , reading the book "lakota noon" i learned that they where two differnet men !
maybe in other books there is a mixing of the words of these two man , all of these words linked to the great tashunka witko friend , he dog !!
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Post by shatonska on Dec 14, 2004 7:44:38 GMT -6
from he dog recollections : "Crazy Horse's men did not take him back to his people but to the camp of his Uncle, Spotted Crow to be nursed." www.wintercount.org/archives/crazyhorse/ch12.txtthis spotted crow is a chief , maybe tashunka's uncle little hawk or a brother of one horn ? above you can read that maybe tashunka had a brother named spotted crow , but he dog in his interviews speaks only of a younger brother (little hawk) , so this name spotted crow probably was the name of tashunka's uncle (little hawk ) before he took the name of thasunka's dead brother (little hawk)! this uncle (little hawk or spotted crow ) was a brother of worm or of one horn ? i think of worm , because is was an oglala chief not minniconjou |
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Post by shatonska on Dec 14, 2004 7:47:52 GMT -6
another one interesting piece of interview :
"Bull Head, Ashes, and Spotted Crow, the Uncles of Crazy HOrse and the Head men of that band, worked for peace"
these three men where brother of worm ?
to many questions !
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Post by Youlanda Percifield on Apr 25, 2005 0:41:53 GMT -6
The third wifes name was Nellie Larabee, according to the book I read. It also had a picture of her in it. I found This interesting as my great grandfather was Robert Henry Larabee, son of Charlie Edward Larabee, whose father was Venton Larabee. I wondered about a kinship, cousins maybe. I don't remember the name of the Author but the Book was about Plains Indians, I own the book and have it loaned out to a friend of mine. It also has a picture of one of his great grandsons.
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Post by Don Blake on Apr 25, 2005 4:25:50 GMT -6
He didn't have any children by Larabee/Larabie/Laravie. The family were, I believe, associated with the Cheyenne rather than the Lakota. Maybe I'm wrong on that point, but in the Crazy Horse Ledger, they're listed among the Cheyenne.
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Post by Youlanda Percifield on Apr 25, 2005 16:18:48 GMT -6
I appologize to you for it sounding as if he did have a any children with her, I was making a statement that there was a picture of one of his great grand sons in the book I don't know by which wives he had children with. It the title just said the man was his great grand son. I understand that he was only with her a short while before he was killed. Then she married Greasing Hand who then changed his name to Crazy Horse as well. I would not want to offend anyone by inadvertantly misrepresenting what I read or saw in the book. I believe in documentation myself. I was interested in exactly who her parents were as to which of my Great Grandfathers Uncles was her father. If there was a blood relation at all, a mild curiousity per say.
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on Apr 25, 2005 21:09:18 GMT -6
Nellie was the daughter of Joseph Larabee (Laravee, Larvie, etc.) or Joe Hunska (Long Joe) as he was known. He married twice. His first wife was a Cheyenne with whom he had four daughters, including Nellie. He later married Susan Metcalf and had five or six sons, including: Phil, Alex, Bill, Tom, Dick. While the family is listed among the Cheyenne in the 1876 census, they remained among the Oglala when the Cheyenne were shipped south to Indian Territory in 1877. They lived on Pine Ridge Reservation in later years and there were many descendents.
Ephriam
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Post by Don Blake on Apr 26, 2005 12:37:23 GMT -6
Do you think this where the stories about Crazy Horse having a Cheyenne wife spring from? I've seen this referred to a few times, although the only one I can put my finger on at the moment is Edgar Stewart's entry for Crazy Horse in the Reader's Encyclopedia of the American West , edited by Howard Lamar (first edition) and even this states she was his first wife.
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Post by Youlanda Percifield on Apr 26, 2005 16:34:13 GMT -6
Thank you so much for this information, it explains some things to me. I find my line of Larabee's in Ellis County Oklahoma on early 1900's census records. Venton Larabee married Amanda Wade in Montgomery County, Illinois December 2. 1868. I got this info. off of Ancestory. com. So it maybe that Venton and Joseph were cousins or brothers. How interesting. Venton was in the Civil War his enlistment date was November 22, 1861 in Illinois.
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Post by Ephriam Dickson on Apr 26, 2005 21:55:35 GMT -6
I do not know where the information that Black Shawl was a Cheyenne comes from originally. Some writers have not always double-checked their sources; or they have quoted other misinformation.
I do think it is important however to remember that the line between being a Cheyenne and being an Oglala was very fuzzy. After several generations of living together, there were extensive intermarrying. Most could claim relatives (and therefore membership) in either tribe. In fact, there was an entire band of Cheyenne that settled at Pine Ridge and by the 1930's most could not even speak Cheyenne any longer and they clearly considered themselves Oglala. In fact, if you read Joe Staria's book, The Dull Knifes of Pine Ridge, there is not a clear distinction between Cheyenne and Oglala, despite Dull Knife's original prominence as a Cheyenne leader. Just interesting...
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Post by Youlanda Percifield on Apr 27, 2005 0:03:56 GMT -6
I had this discussion with my Aunt a few days ago about whether Nellie Larabee was Cheyenne or Oglala. She said that in the book that she read she was Oglala. I told her about reading here she was Cheyenne. It makes it much clearer to me now.
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